tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post7734107631088962368..comments2024-03-05T21:05:36.848-05:00Comments on CommentaramaFilms: The Great (film) Debates vol. 104AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-74560608302572229252014-02-08T17:36:37.056-05:002014-02-08T17:36:37.056-05:00Clarice Starling, even though she's not an &qu...Clarice Starling, even though she's not an "action" heroine.<br /><br />After the (entirely appropriate) Sarah Connor T2 bashing, how about T3's T-X? Ever notice how the virus that is revealed to by Skynet doesn't turn up until after she's used the mobile phone? Checkmate, bitches!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-24738694443367423182014-01-10T20:40:27.754-05:002014-01-10T20:40:27.754-05:00One I've not seen mentioned, but who I think i...One I've not seen mentioned, but who I think is a surprisingly enjoyable aciton heroine... Geena Davis as Samantha Caine/Charlie Baltimore in "The Long Kiss Goodnight". <br /><br />I'll also throw in Uma Thurman in Kill Bill. Honestly, there aren't too many women I could see as an actual threat to the men they face down, but those 2 nail it. 5minutesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-35184163052040792382014-01-06T19:50:16.023-05:002014-01-06T19:50:16.023-05:00Eowyn is definitely a badass in the book.
--------...Eowyn is definitely a badass in the book.<br />--------------------------------------------------------<br />“Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!"<br />Then Merry heard in all sounds of the hour the strangest. It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel.<br />"But no living man am I! You are looking upon a woman. Eowyn am I, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him." <br /><br />Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-77041307030188029522014-01-06T17:21:06.140-05:002014-01-06T17:21:06.140-05:00Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman. Would it be too m...Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman. Would it be too much of a stretch to include Cheryl Ladd's Kris Munroe?<br />GypsyTygerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-64334508917219577642014-01-06T16:45:22.952-05:002014-01-06T16:45:22.952-05:00No love for the original Avengers? Emma Peel.
No love for the original Avengers? Emma Peel.<br /><br />shawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-11635490017494861822014-01-06T14:15:17.248-05:002014-01-06T14:15:17.248-05:00Some great choices, although I swear Bev hasn'...Some great choices, although I swear Bev hasn't seen a new movie since she saw GWTW.<br /><br />How about Eowyn in LOTR? Regular woman with no special powers who defeats the Witch-King of Angmar.Koshcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00552108950848576633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-5186616373916504182014-01-06T11:57:41.295-05:002014-01-06T11:57:41.295-05:00Some thoughts, in no particular order.
1 - I forgo...Some thoughts, in no particular order.<br />1 - I forgot Anne Hathaway in The Dark Knight Rises. Her line after she kills Bane is a classic -" That whole no guns thing. I just don't feel as strongly about it as you do." I thought the character of Catwoman was well handled. She was shown as a badass through the whole film but she had to shoot Bane. He was a badass too,and one that was 3 times her size. She also shot him with something that was already mounted on the motorcycle,not some superweapon that was dropped from the sky just at the right time,so it didn't break the continuity of the story. I liked her.<br />2. As far as Ripley goes, under her clothes she's still a woman. The reason for that scene wasn't to show us some t&a but to have the alien attack her when she was completely vulnerable. She was dirty,she was physically and emotionally exhausted and she was going into the hibernation chamber. It made sense for her to strip down to her underweat to go to sleep,as opposed to stopping the movie and having a t&a moment for it's own sake.<br />3. I have thought of the ultimate action heroine - Drumroll........... Pam Grier.<br />Peeled out of her shirt at the drop of a hat. Fought men, women,whites,blacks,made no difference. If you crossed her you were sorry.<br />Fought with anything she could lay hands on. Barstools,razorblades in her afro,broken bottles,shotguns you name it. She had Arnoldesque quips before anybody knew who he was."I got my blackbelt in barstools bitch!"<br />And as a bonus, proudly wore the 4th best set of breasts ever.<br />1-Dolly Rebecca Parton - Best Little Whorehouse In Texas<br />2 - Mimi Rogers - Full Body Massage<br />3 - Uschi Digard You mostly have to see her on the internet as most of her stuff never made it to dvd.<br />4 - Pam Grier.<br />GypsyTygerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-56507121455113520062014-01-06T10:34:32.647-05:002014-01-06T10:34:32.647-05:00Oops - Ripley, not Riley - I need to reread my pos...Oops - Ripley, not Riley - I need to reread my posts before hitting publish.KRSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-40691976215648948812014-01-06T10:32:47.754-05:002014-01-06T10:32:47.754-05:00Rustbelt - thanks for the shout out. And, as you ...Rustbelt - thanks for the shout out. And, as you might expect, I'm not fond of most of the action "babes" - that's really how women are treated - in these movies. Either they're punching well above their weight or they're being pushed through a ventilation duct in a low cut gown, or some variation thereof. Black Widow uses a pair of cute widdle 9 mm Glocks to shoot invading armored alien hordes armed with laser lancers. But we do get to see butt and cleavage, so suspend disbelief.<br /><br />Our gal Riley almost made it, but even she shows us a little candy as she slips on the spacesuit near the end of "Alien."<br /><br />I don't object to eye candy at all; I just don't take the character seriously. If you're wearing boob-armor, you're not serious.<br /><br />So, my top heroine is Helen Mirrin from "Red." Honorary mention goes to Michele Rodriguez for "Battle for Los Angeles" and absolutely nothing else she's ever done anywhere at any time. I really mean that.<br /><br />I think it's also worth giving a hat tip to villainesses, and my vote goes to Margaret Hamilton in the Wizard of OZ. We may quibble over whether she's an action villainess, but any character who's willing to burn another one alive and has squadrons of flying attack monkeys at her beck and call should qualify. No woman not wearing a nun's habit ever scared me more.<br /><br />KRSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-11300568864299428792014-01-06T09:54:16.697-05:002014-01-06T09:54:16.697-05:00I guess as far as a straight up action heroine I&#...I guess as far as a straight up action heroine I'm gonna go with Pam Anderson from Barb Wire. It was a bad movie, it should have shown more of her ;) and it was made before her boobs were as big as they are now,but I've loved her since Baywatch and when you love somebody you're with them for the whole ride.<br />Next is Helen Parr, Elastigirl from The Incredibles. Yeah, she was animated, but the rules here at commentarama have always been pretty flexible.<br />Sarah Connor. She literally had an otherwordly experience drop in her lap and she overcame all her fears and terminated the terminator.(I only acknowledge the first film.)<br />Laurie Strode and Sidney Prescott were both ordinary girls who reached deeper than they knew they could to do what had to be done. And they did it without super kung fu or bazookas.<br />I already mentioned Laurie Strode. Jamie Lee Curtis comes in again as the reluctant action hero in True Lies. Hanging from a helicopter and kicking Tia Carrera's ass while the limo you're fighting in is racing towards a blown up bridge with a dead driver at the wheel isn't too bad for an afternoon's work.<br />Sarah Michelle Gellar as Buffy is an all timer.<br />And of course, no discussion of this topic would be complete without mentioning Ellen Ripley, the ultimate cub protector.(Get away from her you bitch!)<br />GypsyTyger Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-71402534580326180422014-01-06T02:33:23.371-05:002014-01-06T02:33:23.371-05:00Ellen Ripley (Alien movies), Sarah Connor (Termina...Ellen Ripley (Alien movies), Sarah Connor (Terminator), Alice (Resident <br />Evil) and River Tam (Firefly).<br /><br />The first two are normal women who are forced by crazy situations to raise above their normal abilities and do extraordinary things, but nothing really beyond what the greatest women could do. The last two have extraordinary powers and are faced with situations beyond that and raise to the occasion and do things that would be considered impossible for any human. <br /><br />If the normal women did the impossible it would ruin the story, so I only like it when the women with superhuman powers do superhuman acts. <br /><br />And 'different shaped man' is a classic way to describe more female action <br />stars.<br /><br />Scott.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-83867511450106668062014-01-06T02:07:01.918-05:002014-01-06T02:07:01.918-05:00I will say:
Black Widow from Avengers. Put well ab...I will say:<br />Black Widow from <i>Avengers</i>. Put well above.<br />River Tam from <i>Serenity</i>. No power in the verse can stop her.<br />Hermione Granger from <i>Harry Potter</i>, though these are more books than movies.<br /><br />Perhaps Chihiro from Miyazaki's amazing <i>Spirited Away</i>. Not much of an <b>action</b> heroine, though she does get in some pretty dangerous situations and goes from bratty 12 year old girl to a capable young girl. She is constantly in over-her-head abut each time overcomes it. A great character.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6az9wGfeSgM" rel="nofollow">LINK</a><br /><br />And, of course, Queen Elsa from <i>Frozen</i>. She is a Disney princess (Queen, actually!) and has <i>X-men</i>-style freezing powers <br /><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Elsa_from_Disney's_Frozen.png" rel="nofollow">Image 1</a><br /><a href="http://spiritualpopculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/elsa-frozen-1.png" rel="nofollow">Image 2</a>Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-58406418780474745892014-01-06T01:47:08.327-05:002014-01-06T01:47:08.327-05:00"Modern heroes are all about gun size."
..."Modern heroes are all about gun size."<br /><br />Insert Freudian joke here.Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-32228581723827791182014-01-05T23:53:21.620-05:002014-01-05T23:53:21.620-05:00Nice discussion today, by the way. :)Nice discussion today, by the way. :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-35930430833193740782014-01-05T23:53:10.556-05:002014-01-05T23:53:10.556-05:00LG and Rustbelt, I didn't like Sarah Connor at...LG and Rustbelt, I didn't like Sarah Connor at all in the second film. I thought she was great in the first one, but she was a psycho nut in the second and I didn't care if she lived or not... I wanted her off screen. I actually think that was intentional, by the way. I think they wanted to focus on the relationship between the kid and Arnold and she would have gotten in the way if she was a decent person.<br /><br />AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-66035380247982424732014-01-05T23:50:59.356-05:002014-01-05T23:50:59.356-05:00Indi, Nancy Drew is old school. She's all abo...Indi, Nancy Drew is old school. She's all about brains and cleverness. Modern heroes are all about gun size.<br /><br /><br />Goldvermilion, It is insulting and the feminist don't seem to get that. They actually call these "strong roles," even though they are just playing a nerd-porn fantasy.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-71045814992348436212014-01-05T23:48:53.856-05:002014-01-05T23:48:53.856-05:00El Gordo, Fry is good. I like her because she'...El Gordo, Fry is good. I like her because she's a real person with some serious flaws and that makes her an interesting character... in a film of interesting characters.<br /><br />Outlaw, Nazis are tricky that way! LOL!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-8887152515450711522014-01-05T23:45:53.674-05:002014-01-05T23:45:53.674-05:00Howdy everyone. Sorry about that. Out internet d...Howdy everyone. Sorry about that. Out internet died this morning and didn't come back on until a few minutes ago... no explanations offered.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-8052870416662011152014-01-05T22:28:27.200-05:002014-01-05T22:28:27.200-05:00Sorry, LG, but I couldn't disagree more on Sar...Sorry, LG, but I couldn't disagree more on Sarah Connor (in T2). IMO, she set the tone for all the bad 'tough chick' cliches that we complain about today. <br />In T2, she's impossible to identify with. In the first movie, she's having a bad day at work (something we can all relate to) when she's suddenly thrust into a situation that's completely out of her hands. She eventually defeats the T-800, but by being intelligent (a la Nancy Drew), not by suddenly becoming a martial arts expert. In the second, she's a mass murderer* and domestic terrorist. She attacks innocent people (whom she's theoretically trying to save), attempts to murder an innocent Miles Dyson, wounds several people, causes tons of property damage, and is the one who is constantly putting John Connor's life in danger. (Not that I care; I actually hated him almost as much.)<br />Thus we got- I believe as KRS put it- the ridiculously skinny chick who is impossibly strong and beats up anyone who, in real life, would easily kick her butt. And she's arrogant and annoying as h***. Honestly, I would've cheered if the T-1000 had finished her off. Then again, I would've cheered if the T-1000 had killed John Conner, too, but that's another story.<br /><br />*- I know she doesn't actually kill anyone, but I think that motif was rushed in during script revisions so Cameron could claim she's a hero character. I'd bet in the original scripts, she probably killed a lot of people before being incarcerated. (Given her insanity, that actually would've made more sense!) But in Cameron's little world, as long as the hero doesn't kill anyone, they can commit any crime they want (the end justifies the means) and remain the hero because the director said so.<br /><br />Now that I think of it, James Cameron's supposed 'strong' heroines are pretty bad. In fact, they seem to cause most of the trouble. Think about it:<br /><br />-Because clingy Rose pulls Jack into her social world, he's nearly killed by her suitor and her suitor's manservant.<br /><br />-Because Sarah chooses to go kill Dyson (for the exact same reasons the T-800 previously tried to kill her), she pulls John back into the T-1000's vicinity and puts him in danger again.<br /><br />-Because Vasquez ignores the order to turn in her explosive ammo, she fires it and starts the nuclear sequence- that she was warned about!- that puts the entire group in danger. (Then again, Cameron said he based the marines on overconfident U.S. troops in Vietnam and wanted them to look overconfident and stupid.)<br /><br />Hey! Brainstorm! Someone needs to try this experiment:<br /><br />-Round up a group of people- a 'control group,' if you will- who have no knowledge of the Terminator movies. Show them T2, with the prologue cropped out. Then, after watching the movie, ask them who they initially thought the bad guys were and how it took before they realized who the real villain was. I have a feeling the results might be interesting. Rustbelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12190297078043033514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-51389225180353526252014-01-05T21:07:41.197-05:002014-01-05T21:07:41.197-05:00What no Sarah Connor love? Perfectly played and wr...What no Sarah Connor love? Perfectly played and written In T1 and T2 by Linda Hamilton, Sarah Connor goes from clueless waitress, to psycho warrior in a logical and consistent (read non-comic book) world. No flying on wires, no indestructible BS, Hell, you can break her bones and it hurts her, but she still fights for her survival and in turn mankind's survival.Loyal Goatherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13710850730515818614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-5421338634433545362014-01-05T19:40:46.300-05:002014-01-05T19:40:46.300-05:00El Gordo - sorry I missed your earlier comment. Ye...El Gordo - sorry I missed your earlier comment. Yeah, I think super heroines are a different class altogether. And I think your comment is absolutely valid. It is o.k. to have an action heroine, whether it be Angelina Jolie or whomever. However, it seems to me the cliche of having beautiful babes be "the muscle" evertime out has gotten to the point of being as much a cliche as the old damsel in distress was.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-87250874520472040662014-01-05T19:33:09.507-05:002014-01-05T19:33:09.507-05:00Outlaw - thanks! I suspected it would be hard to d...Outlaw - thanks! I suspected it would be hard to duplicate the fresh take of the original.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-65829565264713204232014-01-05T17:20:23.374-05:002014-01-05T17:20:23.374-05:00Jed,
The Kick Ass sequel in an attempt to broaden...Jed,<br /><br />The Kick Ass sequel in an attempt to broaden their characters lost track of what made people like them in the first place. The tone of the whole thing was off, in my opinion.Outlaw13https://www.blogger.com/profile/17232117096525959967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-79471669530601182182014-01-05T15:46:36.778-05:002014-01-05T15:46:36.778-05:00yeah, I'm not trying to say Robin is the hotte...yeah, I'm not trying to say Robin is the hottest actress eveer to play a cop. She is hotter by order of magnitude than most major crime detectives, though, and wears the standard uniform of skinny jeans with tailored blazer over a colored tank top. Cote de Pablo is another example as well. Ex Mossad with 6 ways to kill you with her little toe. I see NCIS is going for their own Van Pelt with a little cutie computer whiz who wears skinny jeans, fitted blazer .....Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-51324227354928197252014-01-05T15:24:11.965-05:002014-01-05T15:24:11.965-05:00I have been watching Chuck on Netflix, and I can&#...I have been watching Chuck on Netflix, and I can't decide if Sarah is a spoof, and thus hilarious, eye-candy, and thus a demeaning [okay, she is definitely that, if only for the absurdly high number of girl-fights], or meant to demonstrate that women are as physically capable as men, and thus irritating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com