tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post7261557361002692491..comments2024-03-05T21:05:36.848-05:00Comments on CommentaramaFilms: Questionable Trek vol. 28AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-63762366534522416512012-10-24T01:57:49.276-04:002012-10-24T01:57:49.276-04:00Nothing to add, other than, sometimes, Kirk went w...Nothing to add, other than, sometimes, Kirk went with his gut, doing neither the logical (Spock's advice) or emotional (McCoy's advice) thing, tempered of course with always wanting to do the right thing as a standing first principle.<br /><br />When I say "gut" I don't mean some off the wall I saw this in a cartoon once and always wanted to try it thing but rather informed intuition.<br /><br />Kirk's gut was always right because he was so grounded in pro-goodness, pro-liberty, and pro-truth, etc..<br /><br />Not JUST good intentions, but rather good results (or at least the best results, if there are no good choices).USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-28625113670436881162012-10-22T14:41:40.593-04:002012-10-22T14:41:40.593-04:00Obviously, its his ability to instantaneously sedu...Obviously, its his ability to instantaneously seduce very female within a 5 light-year radius.<br /><br />To me, other than the above, it's the fact that he does the right thing, all of the time. No moral equivalence in Kirk's world. In my opinion, all of his other great leadership qualities stem from this fundamental belief in right and wrong, and his unwavering belief in doing the right thing, even if it's not easy.Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-42755733879741836692012-10-12T16:51:03.726-04:002012-10-12T16:51:03.726-04:00We will do the funny! :DWe will do the funny! :DAndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-3304901571436145662012-10-12T16:49:09.657-04:002012-10-12T16:49:09.657-04:00Missed this post earlier this week - which is OK &...Missed this post earlier this week - which is OK 'cause y'all covered all the bases. I like darski's "funny" idea...rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-34141511550843911512012-10-12T13:37:51.302-04:002012-10-12T13:37:51.302-04:00darski -
Great idea! I'll pitch it to Andrew...darski - <br /><br />Great idea! I'll pitch it to Andrew in my next e-mail (unless he sees this post first). :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-77597362429474727992012-10-10T18:47:11.123-04:002012-10-10T18:47:11.123-04:00Just a possible subject for discussion in the glor...Just a possible subject for discussion in the glorious world of next Tuesday... how about when Trek does funny?darskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-16236015468515338602012-10-10T09:54:39.399-04:002012-10-10T09:54:39.399-04:00K, That would be interesting to know, what they in...K, That would be interesting to know, what they intended for him?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-18369855660557022692012-10-10T01:39:17.107-04:002012-10-10T01:39:17.107-04:00If you guys wanted to know the definitive characte...If you guys wanted to know the definitive characteristics of Capt. James T. Kirk, then you should find the script bible with it's character description. I'm sure it's out there on ebay or someplace.:)<br /><br /><br />Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16289856510554336990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-69049043015844952722012-10-09T22:41:26.049-04:002012-10-09T22:41:26.049-04:00Jason, I can understand why the captain wouldn'...Jason, I can understand why the captain wouldn't go down on just any mission, but I prefer the Kirk method to the Picard method. The Picard method felt like he was just too old to go along rather than it having some purpose. Plus, when they are beaming down to meet someone important rather than just spying on villagers, you would think the Captain would go or it would seem like an insult to me.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-43514853130553249592012-10-09T22:11:06.724-04:002012-10-09T22:11:06.724-04:00AndrewPrice, it's funny you mention Kirk getti...AndrewPrice, it's funny you mention Kirk getting his hands dirty, as Kirk almost always led the away missions, while Picard typically stayed on the bridge and let Riker or someone else go.<br /><br />I think the TNG production staff claimed it was more realistic to not have Picard go, but the end result was that Riker or Data would always have to describe what was happening via communication channel to Picard, whereas Kirk generally knew what was going on as he was in the thick of things.Jasonhttp://rigelchase.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-50282379312861614862012-10-09T19:43:09.264-04:002012-10-09T19:43:09.264-04:00Scott, Let me say that there is something not genu...Scott, Let me say that there is something not genuine about the Worf/Picard relationship. Kirk genuinely listened to McCoy. He usually didn't take his advice, but he did listen and he did respect him. Picard almost mocks Worf every time he speaks. He basically acts like he's annoyed or incredulous at Worf's suggestions and pretty much blows him off with one word -- "no." Kirk doesn't do that to anyone.<br /><br />So I don't see Worf as a genuine second opinion.<br />AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-39774587496667736782012-10-09T19:38:58.749-04:002012-10-09T19:38:58.749-04:00BIG MO - I love that quote! It's one of my fav...BIG MO - I love that quote! It's one of my favorite lines from any of the films (and even people who don't like <i>Star Trek III</i> love that moment).<br /><br />And good call on Sisko counting on Dax for advice (which is done especially well in "In the Pale Moonlight" - one of my favorite episodes of any series). I wouldn't say Picard had a lot of yes-men per se... he had Worf, but of course, Picard frequently shot his suggestions down (a hilarious YouTube compilation was made of all these scenes).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-19171320647605733662012-10-09T19:38:00.921-04:002012-10-09T19:38:00.921-04:00Scott, That's true, there's a lot of "...Scott, That's true, there's a lot of "the classic Captain" in Kirk. But, I think there is more in Picard actually. I think Picard is based on this idea that Captains are "above it all," whereas Kirk was big on getting his hands dirty and being right there in the mix.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-22596399152109165912012-10-09T19:35:06.903-04:002012-10-09T19:35:06.903-04:00Sorry I'm late to the party!
Hell, I don'...Sorry I'm late to the party!<br /><br />Hell, I don't have much to add either at this point. There's a reason many people (including myself) consider Captain Kirk a personal hero and it's all outlined nicely above.<br /><br />I should also point out the influence of C.S. Forrester and Horatio Hornblower on Kirk's command style; always thinking one step ahead, respect for life and property (well, maybe not so much that one!), etc.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-79462436389677170942012-10-09T19:32:51.171-04:002012-10-09T19:32:51.171-04:00Tree of Wisdom
Or an Asskicking Elm.Tree of Wisdom<br /><br />Or an Asskicking Elm.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-60013421159152723552012-10-09T19:31:32.527-04:002012-10-09T19:31:32.527-04:00OK, so clearly Kirk is the archetype for exception...OK, so clearly Kirk is the archetype for exceptional leadership, but if he were a tree, what kind of a tree would he be? LOL!tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-82268878600476345402012-10-09T19:25:15.553-04:002012-10-09T19:25:15.553-04:00Thanks Terry. I think we've done a pretty goo...Thanks Terry. I think we've done a pretty good job all around outlining what makes Kirk such a great leader.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-59908259869213874372012-10-09T18:19:17.064-04:002012-10-09T18:19:17.064-04:00Very nicely done gentlemen! I think you've abs...Very nicely done gentlemen! I think you've absolutely outlined exactly why Kirk is so awesome. I have nothing to add.ScyFyterryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635510395140863437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-2289064281154626922012-10-09T14:55:05.501-04:002012-10-09T14:55:05.501-04:00Jed, So true. Kirk needs his good and bad sides a...Jed, So true. Kirk needs his good and bad sides and he needs to be able to harness both. I've seen people who lack one side or the other and they just aren't capable of leading.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-72244887935202127722012-10-09T14:54:27.144-04:002012-10-09T14:54:27.144-04:00darski, That's a good point and it exemplifies...darski, That's a good point and it exemplifies how Kirk is always going above and beyond. He's not a guy who will do the bare minimum to get buy, he is always looking for the perfect solution, and that pays off time and again with him.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-83418858018229980302012-10-09T14:53:33.106-04:002012-10-09T14:53:33.106-04:00Thanks DUQ! That's a good point too. Kirk...Thanks DUQ! That's a good point too. Kirk's leadership is more than instinct, he's incredibly well read and knowledgeable, which it vital if you want to lead people who are experts in their own fields and if you need to be able to make decisions on an array of broad issues.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-34322980405461383822012-10-09T14:47:06.881-04:002012-10-09T14:47:06.881-04:00to me, the qualities of Kirk as a leader are exemp...to me, the qualities of Kirk as a leader are exemplified in the episode titled "The Enemy Within." Kirk has a compassionate side and a strong side. Kept separated neither is worth warm spit as a leader.Put them together, and voila, J.T.K. a great leader.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-25939744918929741982012-10-09T13:26:03.235-04:002012-10-09T13:26:03.235-04:00I do realize that the books are not canon but they...I do realize that the books are not canon but they did explore concepts, characters and situations that elicited new thought. In one of the books there was a test for Academy cadets. The group was before the instructor who explained the test; he told the group that "the purpose of the test/war game is for you to survive". The story was based on Checkov who was determined not to be one of the dead.<br /> Turns out that when Kirk took the test he read the instructor in a broader view - he read the "You" to mean the group and not one person. he formed a coalition of the men and got them all to the end of the test alive.---<br /><br />My point in mentioning this old book was that it shows how the fans viewed Kirk. He inspired that sort of back story.darskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-23748406393501435252012-10-09T12:50:56.813-04:002012-10-09T12:50:56.813-04:00Nice work Andrew and Scott! Excellent!
I think w...Nice work Andrew and Scott! Excellent!<br /><br />I think we should also add that Kirk is amazingly well read and educated. He is a man who knows a lot about everything and is so well-verse in history and culture. He's a true Renaissance man!DUQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-2023531036113521992012-10-09T12:41:53.578-04:002012-10-09T12:41:53.578-04:00Big Mo, That was really a problem with Picard, he ...Big Mo, That was really a problem with Picard, he was surrounded by like-minded clones who were totally yes men. Even Worf, the supposed standout, typically thought like the rest only he wanted to be holding a phaser when he made peace instead of flowers. But if you look at their decisions, the only dissenter is the guest star who isn't enlightened yet.<br /><br />Kirk, on the other hand, truly got opinions from people with polar opposite views. And that made his thought processes, so much more interesting.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com