tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post4115102113667995389..comments2024-03-05T21:05:36.848-05:00Comments on CommentaramaFilms: Guest Review: Back to the Future Part II (1989)AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-68457605182677549362012-08-17T09:43:03.922-04:002012-08-17T09:43:03.922-04:00USS Ben -
Thanks! By the time you read this, my ...USS Ben - <br /><br />Thanks! By the time you read this, my third review will be up already.<br /><br />And as I mentioned, I still watch these films a lot. And I look forward to showing them to my future kid(s).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-49080031726257359732012-08-17T09:41:33.591-04:002012-08-17T09:41:33.591-04:00tryanmax -
Believe me, there are days when I won...tryanmax - <br /><br />Believe me, there are days when I wonder to myself, "What did I ever do to have such esoteric hobbies?!"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-14809796936655405652012-08-17T02:31:15.989-04:002012-08-17T02:31:15.989-04:00Nice review, Scott!
Before our kids grew up we us...Nice review, Scott!<br /><br />Before our kids grew up we used to watch all 3 BTTF films quite a bit.<br />I don't really have a favorite, but I still occasionally watch one when it's on.<br /><br />I look forward to your take on the 3rd installment. :^)<br /><br />Not much to add that hasn't been added, other than I also would've liked to see more of the 1985 alt. timeline.<br />I understand why they didn't dwell on it long, particularly given their target audience, but I still think about it when I watch the second one.<br /><br />USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-39030542655394247902012-08-16T20:47:46.095-04:002012-08-16T20:47:46.095-04:00Scott,
Nerd.
;-)Scott,<br /><br />Nerd.<br /><br />;-)tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-28704522001281670662012-08-16T19:01:31.459-04:002012-08-16T19:01:31.459-04:00EricP and tryanmax -
I'm not up on my Huey L...EricP and tryanmax - <br /><br />I'm not up on my Huey Lewis but, as a film score geek, I'd been waiting for years for the complete <i>BTTF</i> score to be released and Intrada finally <a href="http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.6315/.f" rel="nofollow">released it</a> at the end of 2009, featuring the complete score and several alternate cues - it's like getting a score for another unfilmed movie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-60805917349384546042012-08-16T18:59:41.053-04:002012-08-16T18:59:41.053-04:00PikeBishop -
I read the Cracked article and if y...PikeBishop - <br /><br />I read the Cracked article and if you're referring to the DeLorean getting struck by lightning, I think it's generally accepted that the lightning strike caused the car to accelerate and spin on all three of its axes, which is why it leaves those "99"-shaped fire trails. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-55578011432590903942012-08-16T15:29:57.798-04:002012-08-16T15:29:57.798-04:00EricP, Come to think of it, I believe we got "...EricP, Come to think of it, I believe we got "Power of Love," too. But I think we also got "Perfect World." Still, a great night of music. Thanks for the update and glad you had fun. tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-32745292740087535062012-08-16T15:16:32.691-04:002012-08-16T15:16:32.691-04:00Cracked took their shot at this awhile back with h...Cracked took their shot at this awhile back with http://www.cracked.com/article_19920_6-movie-heroes-saved-by-gaping-plot-holes.html<br /><br />Read the little article they also mention another convienent plot hole at the end of the article, one that no one here seems to have spotted yet.PikeBishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05761380937971970762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-11933211873481319912012-08-16T14:35:10.934-04:002012-08-16T14:35:10.934-04:00@tryanmax -- We got "Power of Love," fir...@tryanmax -- We got "Power of Love," first encore, but we also got two songs from the abysmal Small World album (title track and "Perfect World") in lieu of, well, anything like "Hip to Be Square" or "Couple Days Off," so calling it a wash. Still, great night of music.EricPhttp://www.threedonia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-26711019615442703872012-08-16T00:00:19.146-04:002012-08-16T00:00:19.146-04:00"Also, since Marty's moving from one time..."Also, since Marty's moving from one timeline to the other, I think his personality and memories ought to remain intact regardless. Everyone except he and Doc remain in a changing present, so it makes sense they would change as well, but since they move from one point to another, and are in a sense outside of the timeline, they should remain immune from the effects. That's my reasoning, anyway."<br /><br />I think its the reasoning of the filmmakers as well.Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-44444578244950792532012-08-15T23:49:26.589-04:002012-08-15T23:49:26.589-04:00Sorry, here it is.
LINKSorry, here it is.<br /><a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/BackToTheFuture" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-34485067105535498782012-08-15T23:48:06.728-04:002012-08-15T23:48:06.728-04:00T-Rav,
You might be right about Marty being a los...T-Rav,<br /><br />You might be right about Marty being a loser in the Biff timeline. I was looking through TVTropes's "Fridge Logic/Fridge Brilliance/Fridge Horror" page for Back To the Future and found this line by Lorraine when Marty wakes up: "Oh, they must've hit you hard on the head this time"<br /><br />So you are probably right.<br /><br />Here is the link: <br /><a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/BackToTheFuture" rel="nofollow">"</a><br /><br />Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-40983273807432700212012-08-15T23:47:34.937-04:002012-08-15T23:47:34.937-04:00Kit, I don't think that's a likely explana...Kit, I don't think that's a likely explanation, if for no other reason than he would still remember going back in time and changing history, so he would remember that there was something to change, and therefore there would never be a total switchover of memories. <br /><br />This is the problem I have with the Doctor Who plotline you mention, season four of <i>Fringe</i>, etc. The changes it creates in characters' memories cause too many contradictions, and the discrepancies can't be ironed out. <br /><br />Also, since Marty's moving from one timeline to the other, I think his personality and memories ought to remain intact regardless. Everyone except he and Doc remain in a changing present, so it makes sense they would change as well, but since they move from one point to another, and are in a sense outside of the timeline, they should remain immune from the effects. That's my reasoning, anyway.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-26994562279006214732012-08-15T23:38:00.082-04:002012-08-15T23:38:00.082-04:00Scott, that's true, I shouldn't have said ...Scott, that's true, I shouldn't have said "unofficial." They did film it, even if it never made it to the final cut. <br /><br />As far as the parallel universes theory, I don't know how old it is, but it was definitely around by the '30s or '40s--that's when the classic "Schrodinger's cat" idea came up, and it was the subject of debate by Einstein and his contemporaries. It was partly the inspiration for his famous "I refuse to believe that God plays dice with the universe" comment.<br /><br />I don't know how much the movie draws on these ideas. I think the "ripple theory" is probably more accurate, as evidenced by the changing photos and all. <br /><br />T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-87488914239669242322012-08-15T23:35:16.908-04:002012-08-15T23:35:16.908-04:00Well, Marty kind of left 1985 pretty quickly. With...Well, Marty kind of left 1985 pretty quickly. Within an hour of him waking up he's hoping in the DeLoriean wit Doc Brown for another adventure and didn't get back to the 1985 established at the end of 1 until the end of the 3rd movie so maybe it didn't really have enough time to take effect.<br />Maybe the "ripple effect" is slower with memories. <br />Again, I will go to Doctor Who where in one of the shorts on the Series 6 DVD Amy mentioned having two sets of memories and the Doctor mentioning in various episodes how time travel effects the way you perceive things. <br />Maybe there is a similar effect going on here. Marty is noticing the changes and the memory changes take a bit longer to take effect for him because he just travelled through time.<br /><br />That, and it simplifies the plot better rather than having a long, drawn out scene with him figuring out something is wrong while living the life he does in this universe.<br /><br />I know they do not have or even mention the "alternate universe" aspect. Just thought it was a fun thought. :)Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-28206446033596856612012-08-15T23:31:39.847-04:002012-08-15T23:31:39.847-04:00Kit, I have to say, I always interpreted that line...Kit, I have to say, I always interpreted that line not as evidence that this timeline's Marty was bad, but that Biff considered him too much of a loser to come asking questions like that. Which is probably what he thought of him anyway. <br /><br />Like Scott said, though, I have always wondered about how Marty's changing the original timeline affected his own life. For one thing, I doubt they'd be living in that same modest house with his father a published writer and all. (I mean, it's possible, but still.) And in a more general sense, if it's true that you're the product of your life experiences, then it stands to reason that Marty grew up to be an entirely different person from the one we know and love. <br /><br />Which I guess raises the question of whether it's a totally happy ending for Marty. I mean, he's basically in a new environment, with a new family, and a new past to try and learn. There's got to be a lot of disconnect as a result. But it is a movie, so maybe I shouldn't try and read too much into it. T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-22107516731873068532012-08-15T23:21:28.335-04:002012-08-15T23:21:28.335-04:00Kit -
You do raise an interesting question, whic...Kit - <br /><br />You do raise an interesting question, which is, "What is 1985-A Marty like?" So he's been sent to a boarding school in Switzerland, but that's all we find out. Who knows what kind of history he and his "father" Biff have.<br /><br />Having said that, one thing I always wondered about the first film is, Marty's adventures in 1955 end up improving the lives of his family in 1985... but wouldn't Marty's life be better, too? He gets the cool truck but that's it. Wouldn't he be a somewhat changed person?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-72996366998568564582012-08-15T23:18:54.853-04:002012-08-15T23:18:54.853-04:00T-Rav -
I don't think these films subscribe ...T-Rav - <br /><br />I don't think <i>these</i> films subscribe to the parallel universe theory. I don't even know if that theory had been thought up back when the films were made.<br /><br />And I wouldn't say Lorraine killing Biff was an "unofficial" explanation - I'd assumed it was an official explanation - they filmed it for a reason - but they cut the scene because test audiences didn't get it. We have no idea what happened in 1985-A, which is why I'd love to get some tie-in novels one of these days. It's definitely worth exploring one day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-62244886273409984362012-08-15T23:17:39.508-04:002012-08-15T23:17:39.508-04:00"This is why scientists speculate about alter..."This is why scientists speculate about alternate realities, in which you could, in theory, kill your grandfather. OR the idea that time simply corrects itself and you wouldn't be able to kill your grandfather - each attempt would be thwarted as time corrects itself."<br /><br />Or it would create a massive paradox destroying the entire universe! <br /><br />:-) What, you weren't expecting someone to pull out.<br /><br /><br />Also, on the "evil alternate Marty thing". I kinda think it would've been cool for Marty to meet an evil alternate side. It would've violated the movies laws a bit but been pretty neat. Just a thought.Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-20479906229878725362012-08-15T23:08:44.815-04:002012-08-15T23:08:44.815-04:00tryanmax and Andrew -
Truth be told, I haven'...tryanmax and Andrew - <br /><br />Truth be told, I haven't given it <i>that</i> much thought but when it comes to filmmaking, the creators can do whatever they want as long as they stick to their own set of rules. And with these films... they do just that.<br /><br />There's still the grandfather paradox: you couldn't go back in time to kill your grandfather because that would erase your existence, thus preventing you from going back in time in the first place.<br /><br />This is why scientists speculate about alternate realities, in which you could, in theory, kill your grandfather. OR the idea that time simply corrects itself and you wouldn't be able to kill your grandfather - each attempt would be thwarted as time corrects itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-50142503058064489732012-08-15T23:06:35.226-04:002012-08-15T23:06:35.226-04:00"When Old Biff comes back to 2015 with the De..."When Old Biff comes back to 2015 with the DeLorean, shouldn’t it be an alternate 2015?"<br /><br />What T-Rav said. :)<br /><br />Let's be honest, to borrow from Joss Whedon, the "ripple effect" moved at the "speed of plot". It moved as fast as the plot required it to go. <br /><br />I can see Lorraine eventually shooting Biff. Maybe she found out that Biff murdered George.<br /><br />Interestingly, it was also implied by Biff's line "I never thought it'd be you" to Marty when Marty confronts him about the book that Marty had turned out to be pretty nasty in the alternate timeline (which raises all sorts of headaches).<br /><br />And could've led to them going the route a Quantum Leap episode took when Sam leaped into the body of Lee Harvey Oswald (yes, THAT Lee Harvey Oswald) and his personality started blending with that of Oswald's and he started going crazy and acting kind of sadistic.<br />But that might've been seen as too dark.<br /><br />Of course, that means there could be an alternate Marty Mcfly and okay, my head is starting to hurt now so I'll just go with what the Doctor said and go with time being <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_Ry8J_jdw" rel="nofollow">"more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timer wimey stuff"</a>. :)Kithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453591141757808708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-17759789031450645692012-08-15T22:40:43.622-04:002012-08-15T22:40:43.622-04:00Andrew, a deleted scene from the movie (and I thin...Andrew, a deleted scene from the movie (and I think we've discussed this before) shows old Biff disappearing shortly after leaving the DeLorean, much as Marty was beginning to do in the original movie. The writers have used this to give an unofficial explanation that in the new timeline, Lorraine shot Biff sometime in the '90s, so Old Biff has inadvertently ended his own existence. <br /><br />I don't like this answer, because we don't see any signs that Lorraine could work herself up to kill Biff--remember, she's dependent on him for money for her and her kids, and I don't see Biff leaving his fortune to them--and also there would have been no setup for this scene. <br /><br />Although, I suppose that would answer Scott's objection to the explanation he cited above. In the (roughly) twenty years since Biff's death, maybe the neighborhood could have returned to peace and prosperity, so it wouldn't look any, or at least much, different. The only change would be the disappearance of the McFly household, which Doc and Marty wouldn't have noticed anyway since they'd already left. <br /><br />Still, I don't like it. It seems like too neat and out-of-left-field an answer.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-44321010116986382962012-08-15T22:32:49.342-04:002012-08-15T22:32:49.342-04:00Scott, I'm going to make your headache worse. ...Scott, I'm going to make your headache worse. If the alternate universe thing is true (an idea about which I have no strong opinions either way), then does a time traveler simultaneously return to all universes? That is, when Old Biff went back to 1955 and changed history, and assuming that formed an alternate universe, did two versions of him return to two universes? Does universe "A" remain on default mode, and if so, why should it? And when Marty and Doc fixed things, does that eliminate the alternate universe, or do they simply go back to their original timeline? And in that case, then what happens to their existence in the alternate universe? <br /><br />....Wait. I gave myself a headache.T-Ravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861218035729479354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-76765560660008839222012-08-15T22:20:53.208-04:002012-08-15T22:20:53.208-04:00Scott, If you accept the idea that time simultaneo...Scott, If you accept the idea that time simultaneously runs in a straight line while all of it also exists at once, then it makes sense that the characters could wipe out their own existence because time doesn't change until they change it. Only after that would it rewrite itself to take account of what they've done.<br /><br />Just sayin'!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-49760755514145660282012-08-15T22:16:24.870-04:002012-08-15T22:16:24.870-04:00I have to cap my thoughts by saying that once you ...I have to cap my thoughts by saying that once you dabble in time travel, you are necessarily going to create an unworkable scenario. Einstein said that time travel is impossible and that his theory suggests otherwise is a flaw in the theory. Not that I don't enjoy a good time travel story; I just suspend my belief a little more. tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.com