tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post758674467177983393..comments2024-03-05T21:05:36.848-05:00Comments on CommentaramaFilms: The Great (film) Debates vol. 93AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-13285966983205271972013-09-23T14:08:51.220-04:002013-09-23T14:08:51.220-04:00Kenn, Thanks! :) I'll check that out later to...Kenn, Thanks! :) I'll check that out later today,.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-13521723440376766132013-09-23T14:08:36.371-04:002013-09-23T14:08:36.371-04:00Shawn, I think that the key is to stop when you st...Shawn, I think that the key is to stop when you start running out of ideas.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-85662992655955977242013-09-23T11:18:45.150-04:002013-09-23T11:18:45.150-04:00Andrew, RE: "The Prisoner." I don't...Andrew, RE: "The Prisoner." I don't think this interview answers all the questions - but it does cover quite a bit of what McGoohan intended for "The Prisoner:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiIUnCMpGbMKenn Christensonhttp://kennfilms.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-57028349876686602722013-09-23T03:39:16.373-04:002013-09-23T03:39:16.373-04:00Bah, that should read James Wong, not Hong.Bah, that should read James Wong, not Hong.shawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-37678178620594509182013-09-23T02:55:57.034-04:002013-09-23T02:55:57.034-04:00I love me some X-Files and I watched it to the lac...I love me some X-Files and I watched it to the lackluster end and I freely admit that show ran out of steam starting in the fifth season, but Carter is wrong about the 5 season thing. <br /><br /><i>Deep Space Nine</i> got better as it went along and went out on top with it's seventh season.<br /><br /><i>Cheers</i> is another one that maintained quality over it's eleven seasons. My personal favorite episode is in the last season in which Frasier helps to get Woody elected to the the city council.<br /><br /><i>NCIS</i> is still pretty dang entertaining too and it is fixing to enter it's eleventh season. <br /><br />Of course it didn't help the X-Files to make it seem like they had a destination in mind with their myth-arc. As I understand it, Carter wanted to do five seasons and then switch over to a movie every 2-3 years, but Fox didn't want to give up their t.v. cash cow. It didn't help that Duchovny pulled a David Caruso, but at least he went longer than 26 episodes. Not being able to hold on to Glen Morgan and James Hong didn't help either, but it did lead to Darin Morgan and later, Vince Gilligan.<br /><br />Like I said, it went on too long, but I loved it to the end.shawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-53909549547198416662013-09-23T02:06:00.301-04:002013-09-23T02:06:00.301-04:00Oh, ok. I think Pike means that the episodes were...Oh, ok. I think Pike means that the episodes were self-contained and then ignored by the series. Essentially, you saw them, but they weren't part of the story.<br /><br />I liked the Christmas Ghost story, it was fun.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-22878054243372342452013-09-23T01:58:12.774-04:002013-09-23T01:58:12.774-04:00See Pike's comment above.See <a href="http://commentaramafilms.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-great-film-debates-vol-93.html?showComment=1379898359792#c4375037432054036850" rel="nofollow">Pike's comment</a> above.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-78155035296342391932013-09-23T01:57:42.458-04:002013-09-23T01:57:42.458-04:00Backthrow, I don't remember the ending to WKRP...Backthrow, I don't remember the ending to WKRP.<br /><br />On <i>The Prisoner</i>, I like the ending... it fits. But I also wish it had given us more because I still can't figure it out. I would have liked a little more in that regard.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-45615025862825626962013-09-23T01:55:08.075-04:002013-09-23T01:55:08.075-04:00tryanmax, I'm not sure what you're talking...tryanmax, I'm not sure what you're talking about? The episodes that don't exist?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-57670813067183536272013-09-23T01:54:01.779-04:002013-09-23T01:54:01.779-04:00LOL! "Does that seem right to you?"LOL! "Does that seem right to you?"AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-45643181628917086102013-09-23T01:51:32.021-04:002013-09-23T01:51:32.021-04:00Scott-
Some shows go on past their expiration dat...Scott-<br /><br />Some shows go on past their expiration date and after a couple of extra seasons, they get a celebrated "Series Finale" while others are cut down before they can find their audience. Does that seem right to you?Jubal Earlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-4991203925802681932013-09-23T01:17:55.485-04:002013-09-23T01:17:55.485-04:00I'd have to agree that NEWHART had the ending ...I'd have to agree that NEWHART had the ending to top them all, even though I never really watched the show much (my dad was a fan, at the time) --the Larry, Darryl & Darryl shtick, etc, got to be a bit much for me-- and I always liked the 1970s BOB NEWHART SHOW better, but that's why the NEWHART finale was so great. :7)<br /><br />THE FUGITIVE had a solid, satisfying ending, though it suffers a little, only because there were several episodes, particularly in the middle of the 4-year run, that were truly excellent on all counts, and the finale wasn't quite up to their level.<br /><br />THE PRISONER ending was a total mind-f**k, maybe a little too much for me, but I still liked it, and it fit with the series' style and tone.<br /><br />LOST's finale didn't bother me in the least. I was in it for the characters and the craziness, regardless of whether there was a coherent 'master plan' or 'answers' behind all the mysteries concocted by the writers. Another mind-f**k, though not as intellectually deep as THE PRISONER. Still, I liked it.<br /><br />THE SOPRANOS ending didn't upset me, either; I got the same impression of Tony's paranoid p.o.v. that Andrew did, when I first watched it. Not a super-great ending, but not bad, either, and pretty appropriate for the series, which was primarily about what was going on in Tony's head, anyway.<br /><br />I remember the MASH ending well, when it premiered. Also solid, though typically over-dramatic/preachy. I have no desire to revisit it, since the 1970 movie (which I first saw after the series ended) is superior in all departments.<br /><br />TWIN PEAKS' ending was a mess, but then, so was almost everything about season 2.<br /><br />Too many hurried/truncated endings to good series that got the axe too early: TERRIERS, CARNIVALE (though I overall liked the 2nd season less than the 1st), DEADWOOD, DEAD LIKE ME, PUSHING DAISIES, FIREFLY (but at least they got a big-screen movie)...<br /><br />I never watched SEINFELD, ROSEANNE, ST. ELSEWHERE, BLACK ADDER nor barely any X-FILES, so I can't comment on those finales, except I remember the talk about ST. ELSEWHERE's end, and saw the last shot/sequence excerpted.<br /><br />WKRP IN CINCINNATI (greatest sitcom ever) had a decent ending episode, where Dr. Johnny Fever is more business-savvy than one would guess, and calls out Mama Carlson on the real reason why she put her son in charge, and the original, sorry state of the radio station.<br /><br />My memory is very fuzzy on it, but I seem to vaguely remember BARNEY MILLER having a really good ending, perhaps spread across 2-3 final episodes.<br /><br />If Ice Age starvation & death succeeded in finally silencing that obnoxious little "Gotta love me!" baby dino on DINOSAURS (a show I deliberately avoided), then that finale was well worth it, even if the show <i>was</i> aimed at kids. I can sleep more peacefully now.Backthrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02289433396695381105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-54375236019582049582013-09-23T00:30:55.481-04:002013-09-23T00:30:55.481-04:00Someone's gonna have to explain to me about th...Someone's gonna have to explain to me about the X-files episodes that "DID NOT EXIST". Is that a statement of denial? Or is that statement as interesting as it sounds? tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-1212002607469961912013-09-23T00:27:14.059-04:002013-09-23T00:27:14.059-04:00tryanmax, It is kind of annoying knowing that. :( ...tryanmax, It is kind of annoying knowing that. :( Who says that knowledge is always good.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-72620643444511630082013-09-23T00:26:22.340-04:002013-09-23T00:26:22.340-04:00Pike, I agree -- that's when things started to...Pike, I agree -- that's when things started to go wrong. At that point, Duchovny seemed to start treating the show like a hobby and it started downhill.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-54186638938034519472013-09-23T00:24:55.886-04:002013-09-23T00:24:55.886-04:00Scott, LOL! "We were robbed from a potential...Scott, LOL! "We were robbed from a potential disappointing finale." That's optimistically pessimistic... nicely done! :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-89822253427888267942013-09-23T00:24:09.313-04:002013-09-23T00:24:09.313-04:00rlaWTX, I hope your thesis went well! :)rlaWTX, I hope your thesis went well! :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-24973826174494023762013-09-22T23:55:32.755-04:002013-09-22T23:55:32.755-04:00And for best description of a finale show, the win...And for best description of a finale show, the winner with #$%^&@ is GypsyTiger! That had me laughing...<br /><br />I remember watching the MASH finale with my family - and the last hour was great. I still watch it when it pops up. And then Klinger got his own show...<br />both Buffy and Angel were good.<br />I also remember the St Elsewhere and Newhart endings. <br />CSI:NY was a good-enough ending... even though I would have rathered that it continue.<br />Seinfeld was bad. But I've also noticed that Friends repeats are more watchable than Seinfeld repeats.rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-88316436789668448922013-09-22T23:27:08.262-04:002013-09-22T23:27:08.262-04:00shawn wins with the best being Black Adder Goes Fo...shawn wins with the best being Black Adder Goes Forth, just the most amazing way to end the series, the only comedy that ends by bringing a tear to your eyes.<br /><br />I did like the Seinfeld ending, it wasn't perfect but it bought back a lot of good memories. Cheers was done a bit better though.<br /><br />Worst for me was Firefly as that show didn't even get a finale, it deserved a season or two at the very least. We were robbed from a potential disappointing finale.<br /><br />Scott.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-82112888833768094492013-09-22T21:47:02.386-04:002013-09-22T21:47:02.386-04:00P.S. - I was happier not knowing that bit of trivi...P.S. - I was happier not knowing that bit of trivia.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-51547204415669284412013-09-22T21:46:40.141-04:002013-09-22T21:46:40.141-04:00Pike, TV is a fickle thing and anyone with an arti...Pike, TV is a fickle thing and anyone with an artistic vision should know that going in. An offer of a two-hour movie is gracious by TV standards (as is ample warning of impending cancellation). If you're not prepared to wrap up your story faster than originally planned, you're just being a jerk toward the fans. tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-43750374320540368502013-09-22T21:05:59.792-04:002013-09-22T21:05:59.792-04:00Andrew and Kristina: to me, X-Files jumped the sh...Andrew and Kristina: to me, X-Files jumped the shark with season 6, after Duchovney's ego forced them to relocate to California. The first episode, which had them careening through a brightly lit desert, just did not seem like the dark, dim atmospheric show we had come to love, thanks to its (cheap) Canadian locations. Also that season had about seven episodes that DID NOT EXIST, such as the Christmas ghost episode or the World War II time travel episode. It seemed like the producers were playing us for suckers.PikeBishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05761380937971970762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-46964137156640354572013-09-22T21:00:44.860-04:002013-09-22T21:00:44.860-04:00Andrew: RE Carnivale: HBO offered Daniel Knauf a ...Andrew: RE Carnivale: HBO offered Daniel Knauf a two hour movie to tie up his vision, which was to span 5 seasons and 12 years of time.<br /><br />He told them to SHOVE IT, and left it TV's greatest "Unifinished Symphony."<br /><br />There is something to be said for artistic integrity.PikeBishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05761380937971970762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-21507031856318333882013-09-22T19:11:40.419-04:002013-09-22T19:11:40.419-04:00tryanmax, I'm really annoyed that Carnivale en...tryanmax, I'm really annoyed that <i>Carnivale</i> ended without a resolution. That show was really getting good right when it ended. Even more annoying, apparently, everyone wanted it to continue, but money became the issue.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-18891749014246452442013-09-22T19:10:37.851-04:002013-09-22T19:10:37.851-04:00Kristina, I loved the X-Files, but they slowly los...Kristina, I loved the <i>X-Files</i>, but they slowly lost me to the point that I simply didn't care. I think the five year rule is a good one unless you have something really specific planned. Five years seems to be the peak for most shows.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com