tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post5864995604257260537..comments2024-03-05T21:05:36.848-05:00Comments on CommentaramaFilms: Is Hollywood Finally Listening?AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-42353035058892408902010-12-03T16:10:51.716-05:002010-12-03T16:10:51.716-05:00too soon to tell, Andrew-- but maybe, jusy maybe w...too soon to tell, Andrew-- but maybe, jusy maybe we will see more. I don't need conservative, but please spare the p.c. leftist agenda. To be honest it got so bad, I haven't been keeping tabs very closely the past few years.Tennessee Jedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-73361427688390119172010-12-03T16:12:24.946-05:002010-12-03T16:12:24.946-05:00Jed, Don't get me wrong, I am NOT saying that ...Jed, Don't get me wrong, I am NOT saying that we're suddenly there. But I was very surprised to see these messages in both films .... stunned actually. And I wonder if maybe this is the beginning of a swing back?<br><br>And like you, I don't need (or want) "conservative politics" in films, I just want my non-political films to remain non-political. And if they do get political, I want fairness.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-87274755126825158632010-12-03T16:15:09.585-05:002010-12-03T16:15:09.585-05:00Interesting thought, Andrew, but I think they'...Interesting thought, Andrew, but I think they're beyond hope.CrispyRicehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07302075204880024936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-35335817676697179362010-12-03T16:22:22.608-05:002010-12-03T16:22:22.608-05:00Crispy, Most of them probably are, just as the cur...Crispy, Most of them probably are, just as the current crop of House Democrats are beyond hope too. But I don't think the whole industry is beyond hope.... at least I hope not.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-37125452850416254242010-12-03T16:34:01.280-05:002010-12-03T16:34:01.280-05:00I'm at work right now but I'll have some t...I'm at work right now but I'll have some thoughts on the subject later.<br><br>As usual, stay tuned. :-)<br><br>I hope the industry isn't beyond hope; I'd still kinda like to work in it one day!ScottDShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15660889617173576835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-7439179778028328632010-12-03T16:35:54.012-05:002010-12-03T16:35:54.012-05:00Scott, I look forward to your input. We'll ke...Scott, I look forward to your input. We'll keep the blog-lights on for you! ;-)AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-23117433826854277912010-12-03T16:48:33.391-05:002010-12-03T16:48:33.391-05:00Andrew: Their old bugaboo McCarthy was particular...Andrew: Their old bugaboo McCarthy was particularly hated among the Hollywood types because even in the early Fifties they were gaining the upper hand and then the boom fell. McCarthy may have been a demagogue and at the end a complete fake, but in the interim he found a whole lot of communists in the industry. It has taken years for them and their fellow-traveling liberals to recover, only to find that the market is accomplishing the same thing that McCarthy did with a sledgehammer. Most Americans are not going to pay the outrageous prices of today to see films that insult their country, their patriotism and their intelligence. George Clooney has found his niche--staring at goats.LawHawkRFDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17800255923675295515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-46687828279575571582010-12-03T17:01:58.978-05:002010-12-03T17:01:58.978-05:00Lawhawk, I think that's true. And I think wha...Lawhawk, I think that's true. And I think what is making this even harder for them is that film companies have all become public companies, so suddenly profit and loss has a lot more meaning. That gives the market a lot more power... which means consumers are stronger.<br><br>You can only tick off your audience for a short period of time before they stop spending money on your shows.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-40841728781849704342010-12-03T17:09:25.551-05:002010-12-03T17:09:25.551-05:00I am one who definitely and deliberately falls int...I am one who definitely and deliberately falls into the category of voting with my wallet on this one. Just as you said, I won't pay the exhorbitant fees to be insulted by liberal, Hollywood elitists. I'm done with them. I've been watching a lot of old Clint Eastwood movies on Netflix lately.Tamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-23730998197404557402010-12-03T17:25:52.316-05:002010-12-03T17:25:52.316-05:00Tam, Old Clint Eastwood is great stuff!In the past...Tam, Old Clint Eastwood is great stuff!<br><br>In the past, I largely tried to ignore the insulting liberal-ness in films because I just like films generally and I could tolerate it. I didn't like it, but I could tolerate it.<br><br>BUT... in the past few years it's become so obnoxious and so insulting that I just can't do it anymore. It's become like watching propaganda. So now I avoid films that I know are going to be crawling with liberal messages -- like <i>Green Zone</i>, which is just leftist garbage intended to insult America, Americans and our military.<br><br>And guys like Michael Moore are completely off-limits at this point. In the past, I <i>might</i> have watched a Michael Moore film (depending on the topic), just to see what he had to say. But not anymore. He's nothing but a propagandists, and I will not support him. And there is nothing he can do to ever win me back.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-45834172719297754782010-12-03T18:17:19.198-05:002010-12-03T18:17:19.198-05:00I want to think Hollywood is learning its lesson, ...I want to think Hollywood is learning its lesson, but until I see a lot more, I'm not going to believe it.Doc Whoanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-12545918156463934012010-12-03T18:31:10.806-05:002010-12-03T18:31:10.806-05:00Doc, I'm certainly not convinced yet, but I am...Doc, I'm certainly not convinced yet, but I am hopeful that they are starting to realize their mistake and that the conservatives in Hollywood are starting to assert themselves.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-19495344363357359202010-12-03T18:33:11.467-05:002010-12-03T18:33:11.467-05:00I had the exact same thought when I saw "Book...I had the exact same thought when I saw "Book of Eli"! I didn't think it was a great movie, but it wasn't bad and it certainly went up a couple notches in my view because of the surprising message.Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-51723299428536688242010-12-03T18:42:41.148-05:002010-12-03T18:42:41.148-05:00Ed, I thought it a decent film, not great. And li...Ed, I thought it a decent film, not great. And like you, I was pretty stunned when I saw it because of the message. I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop and to be lectured on how Christianity needs to be modernized to get rid of its bad parts or something like that. But they never went there. Very strange.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-79474747348853032442010-12-03T18:45:50.554-05:002010-12-03T18:45:50.554-05:00I don't believe "Juno" was an anti-a...I don't believe "Juno" was an anti-abortion film. I know many conservatives think it was, but the point to the movie was that it was good that she had the choice. Also, the director and actors have all said they are pro-choice.Janetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-83074992373000635982010-12-03T18:50:17.753-05:002010-12-03T18:50:17.753-05:00Janet, I don't claim that Juno was a pro-life ...Janet, I don't claim that <i>Juno</i> was a pro-life film, but it was unique in that it was the first movie I can think of out of Hollywood since the 1970s where abortion wasn't considered to be the only good choice. And the fact that she decided to keep the child is what made pro-life people praise the film.AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-67506320484367485062010-12-03T20:04:57.079-05:002010-12-03T20:04:57.079-05:00Hollywood is leftist trash and they won't chan...Hollywood is leftist trash and they won't change until their livelihoods depend on it and even then they'll fight like rats to keep putting their bulls***t views into everything.Danenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-48419775121504033702010-12-03T20:16:45.222-05:002010-12-03T20:16:45.222-05:00I'm gonna try to limit the examples of films m...I'm gonna try to limit the examples of films mentioned (if any) to the anti-war flicks and not innocuous romantic comedies with one or two political jabs, which I feel is a separate category altogether.<br><br>Believe me, I'd love nothing more than for Hollywood to be more even-handed, especially if it means better films. The thing with all the anti-war films is that they were bad! Give me Dr. Strangelove any day of the week over The Green Zone - at least it's entertaining. And you and I have already talked about The Invention of Lying - I like Ricky Gervais but it was so depressing! I do have to ask, what's your beef with The Frog Princess? I haven't seen it but so what if Disney makes a movie with a black princess? One should ask, what was the motivation? Tell a good story that happened to feature a black character or bait the race-baiters?<br><br>I know you're fond of saying that a film isn't conservative just because some character says he hates taxes. But the inverse is also true - a film isn't liberal just because it features a gay character, or a recycle bin in the background, etc. <br><br>The truth is that several (but not all) of these films don't even originate with the studios. I'm not excusing them but very often the money comes from little indie companies like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participant_Productions#Films" rel="nofollow">Participant Productions</a>, whose goal is to produce "socially relevant" entertainment. And it goes without saying a lot of the money comes from overseas.<br><br>Big Hollywood (or someone) should do a story about <a href="http://www.details.com/culture-trends/critical-eye/201012/humanitarian-power-broker-trevor-neilson-global-philanthropy-group" rel="nofollow">this guy</a>. He's not a producer; he's a philanthropy consultant for Hollywood and I imagine this sort of thing, while well-intentioned, doesn't help with the political end of things, especially since much of it is for left-leaning causes.ScottDShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15660889617173576835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-91638944595308762772010-12-03T20:19:53.625-05:002010-12-03T20:19:53.625-05:00My wife, and I used to see a couple movies a month...My wife, and I used to see a couple movies a month, in peak months, a movie a week, just for something to do. Now we go to the movies a half dozen times a year sometimes less. I don’t want “conservative” movies made I want good movies made. I don’t want to be insulted or lectured about how my great country sucks, I want to be entertained. There were a few other movies that bucked the trend from 2000 forward, LOTR, Gladiator, We Were Soldiers, Cinderella Man, Secretariat, etc. too name a few more.<br><br>There are several actors and directors, who will never, as long as I live get another dime from me, we all know who they are, without a list.StanHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-57436177552337886862010-12-03T20:22:12.895-05:002010-12-03T20:22:12.895-05:00Stan - nice to see some love for Cinderella Man. A...Stan - nice to see some love for Cinderella Man. A movie like that should've made a ton of money from mid-America but was more or less ignored (you and I are obviously exceptions)!<br><br>And I barely go to the theater myself, only because it's too much money to spend on a whim and why bother when I have Netflix and HD?ScottDShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15660889617173576835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-10853611055088741502010-12-03T20:26:58.889-05:002010-12-03T20:26:58.889-05:00I don't believe that Hollywood is smart enough...I don't believe that Hollywood is smart enough (or brave enough) to confront the real reasons for the decline in movie sales, most of which you've listed. Liberal messages aside, most of what comes out of Hollywood is pure crap.Writer Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-18746057012315930052010-12-03T20:30:16.341-05:002010-12-03T20:30:16.341-05:00Writer X - a sci-fi writer named Theodore Sturgeon...Writer X - a sci-fi writer named Theodore Sturgeon once came up with a law which states: "90% of everything is crap," which is very true!<br><br>This is fodder for another blog post but most movies have always been bad. The good stuff rises to the top and we remember the good things. :-)ScottDShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15660889617173576835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-63196776431230094022010-12-03T20:45:06.195-05:002010-12-03T20:45:06.195-05:00Scott, perhaps if Russell Crowe hadn’t chucked a c...Scott, perhaps if Russell Crowe hadn’t chucked a cell phone at a concierge at a NYC hotel it may have done better? <br><br> I liked the movie because of the American ideal of lifting yourself up by the bootstraps, and work even harder. And though it was a Ron Howard movie, he played it straight, and entertained his audience.StanHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07395708786509590321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-79348361500450949502010-12-03T21:00:33.562-05:002010-12-03T21:00:33.562-05:00Scott, That is very true! Unfortunately I cannot r...Scott, That is very true! Unfortunately I cannot remember the last time I saw a movie that knocked my socks off. I also cannot remember the last time I was motivated to sit inside a movie theater either. And then when I hear the "wisdom" of the Danny Glovers, Matt Damons, and Megan Foxes of the world, I'm certainly less motivated to spend my hard-earned cash.Writer Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-21473377369723635522010-12-03T21:46:05.747-05:002010-12-03T21:46:05.747-05:00Man, I'm gone for a few minutes and everyone c...Man, I'm gone for a few minutes and everyone comments! LOL!AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.com