tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post3938059243311331942..comments2024-03-05T21:05:36.848-05:00Comments on CommentaramaFilms: The Great (film) Debates vol. 15AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-5061728051350132682011-12-04T11:33:28.593-05:002011-12-04T11:33:28.593-05:00Kit, I agree, it would require both the good with ...Kit, I agree, it would require both the good with the bad and it couldn't take sides in the Catholic/Protestant debate, though some of it obviously is indefensible (like indulgences).<br /><br />I recall reading a book about his life decades ago where the author was pretty clear that ML has no intention of breaking the church apart, but only wanted Rome to mend its ways. Imagine his surprise!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-11222222195234542112011-12-04T01:32:48.178-05:002011-12-04T01:32:48.178-05:00The thing about Martin Luther is that a truly accu...The thing about Martin Luther is that a truly accurte depiction would show both the Protestants and the Catholics somewhat sympathetically. Granted it would probably lean anti-Catholic but they would (and should) get some sympathetic treatment, at least the loyal Catholics in Germany.<br />Rome, however, was rife with corruption.<br />It would also be good to show his slip at the end, possibly his anti-semitic rants at the end.<br /><br />And you are right, he had no idea what effect he would have.Kitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-51138073622175901842011-12-04T01:01:28.149-05:002011-12-04T01:01:28.149-05:00Hi Kit! And welcome! :)
Excellent choices! Mart...Hi Kit! And welcome! :)<br /><br />Excellent choices! Martin Luther is fascinating especially given the time period when he acted and the effect his actions had. I can't imagine he had any idea what he would cause.<br /><br />Churchill is one of my favorite historical figures. He had a truly brilliant mind and strong insight. I've read some of his early writings like his about his trips to Africa, but never his later work. I've always meant to read more but like everything else in life, I just can't ever find the time I need.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-3261504827847809052011-12-04T00:53:31.356-05:002011-12-04T00:53:31.356-05:00Kit here, linked to here from Threedonia.
Martin ...Kit here, linked to here from Threedonia.<br /><br />Martin Luther, founder of Protestantism. <br /><br />A warts-and-all production. Showing also the political backdrop (disatisfaction of German princes w/ Rome and the distance between Rome and Germany) as well as comparisons of him and Emperor Charles V and Erasmus.<br />No idea who should play who.<br /><br /><br />Another: Lincoln, of course. <br />If you want someone young, Zachary Levi (Chuck) perhaps? <br /><br />Churchill, a full mini-series based on his "The Second World War" (always wanted to read them).<br /><br />I've read a bit of PUBLIC ENEMIES and thought a mini-series about the early days of the FBI would be fascinating, as well as (accurate) depictions of the various criminals.<br />Interestingly, I thought CRIMINAL MINDS did a pretty spot-on depiction of Bonnie and Clyde in the episode "The Thirteenth Step"Kitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-18826058081362813062011-11-20T00:52:34.420-05:002011-11-20T00:52:34.420-05:00Indi, I'll check it out when it comes to DVD o...Indi, I'll check it out when it comes to DVD or the movie channels, I usually catch most everything. I'm just saying the trailors dampened my enthusiasm. But don't worry, I look beyond the marketing because I know better than to trust what I see in that regard and you never know when you might find a hidden or ignored gem. :)AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-7979183542352422312011-11-20T00:26:23.371-05:002011-11-20T00:26:23.371-05:00Andrew
I think you should eventually see the movi...Andrew<br /><br />I think you should eventually see the movie in order to critique it. But maybe when it hits TV.<br /><br />I was thinking about your post explaining how Hollywood always has to have a villian and that great movies of the past actually did not.<br /><br />I think this movie could have been great if instead of making the father a villian they instead made everyone a basically decent person caught in a flawed system.<br /><br />I think it could have been a much better film.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-74465426087000995242011-11-19T14:01:04.454-05:002011-11-19T14:01:04.454-05:00Ah. Like I said, I haven't seen it so I'm...Ah. Like I said, I haven't seen it so I'm just judging it based on the trailors at this point.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-7572039333294697672011-11-19T13:59:02.108-05:002011-11-19T13:59:02.108-05:00Anderew
I think you are half right....
They did ...Anderew<br /><br />I think you are half right....<br /><br />They did a very good job with setting up the premise however at the end they made it into a "noble outlaws" take on theworldIndividualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-12264096410344716072011-11-18T22:57:56.434-05:002011-11-18T22:57:56.434-05:00Indi, I haven't seen it so I can't comment...Indi, I haven't seen it so I can't comment, but for me, the problems began with the second trailor. Initially, the concept looked really interesting like it would raise a lot of neat moral and philosophical questions.<br /><br />But then the second trailor started to make it look like a very generic "chase" movie and it didn't look like they really were going to do much with the premise.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-8711129623332782752011-11-18T18:59:19.597-05:002011-11-18T18:59:19.597-05:00Andrew
I guess this is where I am a little differ...Andrew<br /><br />I guess this is where I am a little different. I watched in Time because I was very intrigued with the concept of how you handle immortality and procreation. It creates very unusual moral questions. I will forgive a lot in a movie if they present a good question.<br /><br />For me the clocks on the arms were enough to see the movie. It was OK. The parts in the beginning of the movie showing the life of the working Joe was very well done I thought. It was when they gopt to the wealthly people the movie started to fall apart.<br /><br />The ending was a little far fetched as they tried to turn the show into Bonnie and Clyde. The way they dealt with the villians was not completely cartoony but I thought they could have tried to make a much more intelligent ending.<br /><br />In the end the movie was B- at best but you may be more offended at some of the obvious plot problems. Movie did start out very well however.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-16314629068937678432011-11-15T21:50:11.444-05:002011-11-15T21:50:11.444-05:00Interesting choice. China would be furious if Hol...Interesting choice. China would be furious if Hollywood did a fair version. LOL!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-32459622468995885952011-11-15T21:46:28.744-05:002011-11-15T21:46:28.744-05:00How about Chiang Kai-shek?How about Chiang Kai-shek?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-22704980873159479802011-11-14T11:25:17.967-05:002011-11-14T11:25:17.967-05:00True. Rocket scientist for the Navy... that's...True. Rocket scientist for the Navy... that's pretty cool!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-15447470768414884342011-11-14T11:17:26.813-05:002011-11-14T11:17:26.813-05:00I just thought of this: I'd like to see a doc ...I just thought of this: I'd like to see a doc on Herman Cain's early years. What he accomplished by my age puts most young adults to shame.tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-82468466914258861892011-11-13T19:50:37.834-05:002011-11-13T19:50:37.834-05:00Indi, I haven't seen Anonymous, so that could ...Indi, I haven't seen <i>Anonymous</i>, so that could actually be the plot -- nothing would surprise me out of Hollywood today. But the actual <i>conspiracy theory</i> (and that is exactly what it is -- a conspiracy theory) is that Shakespeare was just a face for some noble who wanted to write but couldn't in that society.<br /><br />When I first saw the trailor for <i>In Time</i>, it struck me as a possibly interesting film. But the more I've seen, the less interested I am. Your point about the bad guy just adds to the pile of reasons I'm getting less and less interested.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-30691278619128394752011-11-13T19:45:18.632-05:002011-11-13T19:45:18.632-05:00Andrew....
Hmmm....
I am only going by the movie...Andrew....<br /><br />Hmmm....<br /><br />I am only going by the movie trailers which suggests that Shakespeare is having the real writer imprisoned or executed.<br /><br />Well I guess if anonymous was a Noble then he must have been one tf the enlightened who saw the plight of the poor and the evils of society and wrote to correct it becasue we all know that in the end it must be about how capitalism is wrong and capitalists can't understand true artistic insight.<br /><br />Sorry I saw IN TIme today... O<br />K enough movie but the badguy was a Darwinian Capitalist so obsessed with the Strong Surviving that the combination to the safe was Darwin's Birthday. Oh well.....Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-578840550328825772011-11-13T18:54:50.665-05:002011-11-13T18:54:50.665-05:00tryanmax, That's interesting. That gives new ...tryanmax, That's interesting. That gives new meaning to the phrase "national calamity." LOL!<br /><br /><br />Scott, Interesting. Scriptshadow is an interesting place. I wasted a couple hours reading stuff there last night. Constantine might make for a very interesting Indi 6 (which I've heard they're making).AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-67042487345575664832011-11-13T18:52:52.068-05:002011-11-13T18:52:52.068-05:00Indi, Actually, this theory goes back many years a...Indi, Actually, this theory goes back many years and it's based on questions about whether or not Shakespeare had the education and background to have written the plays he wrote.<br /><br />The theory is that a royal (someone like a Duke -- there are multiple candidates) was the actual writer and Shakespeare was basically just a front or figurehead who took the credit.<br /><br />Why would someone like a Duke agree to that? Well, the thinking is that it was unseemly for royal personages or people of level to engage in something as "low" as writing. Thus, they couldn't have release this themselves. So they used Shakespeare as a conduit.<br /><br />My problem with this theory is that it's all premised on huge leaps of faith based on modern ideas of what the past was like. It's also one of these theories that starts backwards -- "we can't disprove my theory, ergo it must be right." But that kind of logic will let you prove anything. It's garbage thinking. And there is no hard evidence whatsoever to suppor this theory. In fact, there aren't even hints to suggest it. So I don't buy it.<br /><br />It's the same kind of BS theory created to deconstruct the past as the way some gay college professors have tried to claim in papers that Shakespeare was gay. Their evidence is basically that <i>IF</i> you read all the women he refers to as secretly meaning men, then Shakespeare is pretty clearly a flamer. Well, yeah, but that's ridiculous logic. If we read them as meaning monkeys, then he's into beastiality. If we read them as himself, then he's the world's biggest egotists. Etc.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-16549853283068608072011-11-13T18:43:14.672-05:002011-11-13T18:43:14.672-05:00To go only slightly off topic:
I know nothing abo...To go only <i>slightly</i> off topic:<br /><br />I know nothing about him but I read an interesting <a href="http://scriptshadow.blogspot.com/2011/03/indiana-jones-and-city-of-gods-darabont.html#comment-166223283" rel="nofollow">pitch</a> for a film about the Emperor Constantine. In fact, it was a fan's pitch for an Indiana Jones sequel involving the Soviets finding Constantine's shield, which was emblazoned with a "heavenly divine symbol."<br /><br />This was posted in the comments in a Script Shadow blog article. It sounded very interesting (and better than the last Indy film).<br /><br />Imagine what an original miniseries could do with this. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-18487962464885660682011-11-13T18:42:29.184-05:002011-11-13T18:42:29.184-05:00Biographical note for Calamity Jane: While the sou...Biographical note for Calamity Jane: While the source of her nickname is a matter of hot dispute, even during her lifetime, it might be worth noting that a common Victorian euphemism for all manner of venereal disease was "the calamity."tryanmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881154741574720094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-54725844033131175492011-11-13T18:28:47.916-05:002011-11-13T18:28:47.916-05:00Andrew
I doubt I will see Anonymous but I have s...Andrew <br /><br />I doubt I will see Anonymous but I have seen the commercials for it. I don't know the claim but I think I can figure out the polt of the movie based on the correct political thinking as dictated by the left.<br /><br />Shakespeare was involved with the wealthly and came from a noble background and thus if his name were attached to the plays why then they would be accepted by the masses.<br /><br />The anaonymous writer was poor and downtrodden and therefore understood the needs of socieity and would be able to write "great plays" because of his underclass insight. So he teams up with Shakespeare who takes credit and then has the anonymous guy killed after stealing all his plays cause he is an evil rich noble capitalist after all.<br /><br />The problem I see with this motiff is that the plays Shakespeare wrote were stories others had done as well and required an education in history, probably Latin and French, not to mention an understanding of not just the nature of nobility to how they reacted.<br /><br />In Much Ado About Nothing for instance I don't think a peasant dirt farmer of the day woulkd understand how the characters would deal with the situation.<br /><br />But I guess when you are channeling your inner Orwell a little deception is in order to be3 able to tell the real truth.Individualisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005025873042230314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-35270454184633945232011-11-13T17:49:03.395-05:002011-11-13T17:49:03.395-05:00Ah yes.Calamity Jane - that reminds me of the musi...Ah yes.Calamity Jane - that reminds me of the musical film done with Doris Day and Howard Keel ( oh the Deadwood stage is a comin' round the bend . . . .whip crack away.) A favorite from the early 5o's.Tennessee Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604275115906776992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-49200501394518306762011-11-13T17:30:50.575-05:002011-11-13T17:30:50.575-05:00Tink, Interesting choices! Calamity Jane in partic...Tink, Interesting choices! Calamity Jane in particular would be interesting to me -- I love westerns and I think it would be great to fill in more pieces. And Barton really changed the world with the Red Cross!AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-50644007268288843822011-11-13T17:24:44.774-05:002011-11-13T17:24:44.774-05:00Bev, That would be fascinating, especially conside...Bev, That would be fascinating, especially considering all the problems he faced unifying people who would not be unified, dealing with foreign countries who flirted with supporting the South, and dealing with the reality that they just couldn't compete with the North in terms of manpower or a manufacturing base.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-88606788414279706932011-11-13T17:23:29.947-05:002011-11-13T17:23:29.947-05:00I think Dietrich Bonhoeffer would be an interestin...I think Dietrich Bonhoeffer would be an interesting choice; he has been more in the public arena lately because of his biography which came out recently. A couple of others that came to mind are Clara Barton, and I have always found Harriet Tubman fascinating. Someone who was good with westerns could make a compelling series about Calamity Jane or Belle Starr.Tink in Calihttp://threedonia.comnoreply@blogger.com