tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post326022100875019613..comments2024-03-05T21:05:36.848-05:00Comments on CommentaramaFilms: Questionable Trek vol. 11AndrewPricehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-41480468065425047332012-04-27T13:33:31.736-04:002012-04-27T13:33:31.736-04:00Chris, Welcome. I agree. The Federation was acti...Chris, Welcome. I agree. The Federation was acting in a very underhanded and not-typical for the Federation way. The whole thing is kind of nonsense from the get go in that regard.<br /><br />And yeah, I have no idea why Data would be there except that it introduces the plot. What mission could they possibly there that they needed him for? It struck me as entirely a plot-convenience.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-85786335012628288092012-04-27T13:28:04.350-04:002012-04-27T13:28:04.350-04:00Just found this blog and have been enjoying the Tr...Just found this blog and have been enjoying the Trek articles.<br /><br />Insurrection is among my least favorite of the Star Trek films for a host of reasons, but I do think Picard made the right call here. What struck me more though were the lengths the Federation was going to in order to uproot the Bak'u, and in such an underhanded manner. It didn't seem like a "Federation" thing to do in the first place.<br /><br />And don't get me started on questioning why Data was even there to begin with, lol.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-89324529519161900222012-04-26T22:18:24.291-04:002012-04-26T22:18:24.291-04:00Ken, That would be hilarious! "I am Wesley C...Ken, That would be hilarious! "I am Wesley Crusher. . . I have come to show you the way to freedom and the promised land."<br /><br /><br />Shawn, I think Prime Directive didn't apply because they aren't a pre-warp society. But in truth the Prime Directive seemed to apply randomly, so who knows?AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-51457585085552891632012-04-26T05:22:29.151-04:002012-04-26T05:22:29.151-04:00A big problem with the movie is that neither the B...A big problem with the movie is that neither the Ba'ku or Son'a are a part of the Federation. Where the Prime Directive is concerned, Picard should have stood by while the Son'a either moved the colony by force, or blasted the crap out of it.Shawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-54509615085740560002012-04-26T04:09:59.781-04:002012-04-26T04:09:59.781-04:00When are they going to have Crusher coming out of ...When are they going to have Crusher coming out of the Badlands and destroying the all powerful nanny state the of the Federation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-60598055666193612812012-04-25T22:55:53.881-04:002012-04-25T22:55:53.881-04:00Max, I can imagine those types of fans would prett...Max, I can imagine those types of fans would pretty quickly drive people away.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-42372617032696826472012-04-25T21:39:52.832-04:002012-04-25T21:39:52.832-04:00Andrew, those fans got me out of costuming Star Tr...Andrew, those fans got me out of costuming Star Trek. If they showed at least a little care about the product, instead of just giving it lip service. Most likely our attitudes would be very different. <br /><br />I figure the best way to handle it, is just watch the old stuff. STTOS doesn't leave one asking questions such as, "Just what was that episode about?". Leaving us to still discuss the subject 20 years later(and still not knowing what the episode was about, lol).Commander Maxhttp://www.the-grey-ghost.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-55179065098758445712012-04-25T14:53:16.351-04:002012-04-25T14:53:16.351-04:00Anon, That's true. Plus, in both films the &q...Anon, That's true. Plus, in both films the "bad guys" don't even try to work this out peacefully. In fact, I get the sense that in <i>Insurrection</i>, the Federation never even spoke with the Ba'ku at all, and in <i>Avatar</i>, they seemed to have a deal in place when the military decided for no reason whatsoever that it was time to start slaughtering Smurfs. That makes both scenarios really fake.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-79705464047360973722012-04-25T14:50:30.277-04:002012-04-25T14:50:30.277-04:00rlaWTX, Ah. Blue Smurf smoke! ;)
Dear Mr. Camer...rlaWTX, Ah. Blue Smurf smoke! ;)<br /><br /><br />Dear Mr. Cameron, Please stop. Seriously. No more. Bad director.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-37299829675180239162012-04-25T14:14:05.338-04:002012-04-25T14:14:05.338-04:00I'm glad you brought up Avatar, because both f...I'm glad you brought up Avatar, because both films suffer from the same flaw: from a moral perspective, the film's "hero" and the people he's defending don't seem to care about the bigger picture. Do the Ba'ku even care their relocation would help billions of people? They don't seem to.<br /><br />Likewise in Avatar: at no point does Jake Sully simply tell the Navi, "listen, I know you guys love your Big Honking Tree and all that, but my planet is dying. Billions of lives are at stake here. Isn't that more important?" You'd think all those innocent lives would matter to them, since we keep hearing about how noble and decent they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-66085714684289315292012-04-25T13:03:24.119-04:002012-04-25T13:03:24.119-04:00Tired Indian Cliche - buck up! I only have a few m...Tired Indian Cliche - buck up! I only have a few more movies for you!!!Cameron The Mighty Directornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-25801236541586869902012-04-25T12:55:17.600-04:002012-04-25T12:55:17.600-04:00Out of the office yesterday afternoon...
Blue haz...Out of the office yesterday afternoon...<br /><br />Blue haze comment was a (pathetic) joke based on this line: "also apply to Avatar? Or should we simply forget that film ever happened?"<br /><br />Now reading rest of comments...rlaWTXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319344164726195144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-74926589138658446542012-04-25T12:48:23.861-04:002012-04-25T12:48:23.861-04:00Max, That's probably true. If the show was mo...Max, That's probably true. If the show was more consistent, then people would probably be more forgiving of mistakes. But right now they feel like insults in the sense that the producers don't really care that the show's history means anything to the fans.<br /><br />Of course, that said, there are always crazy fanatics who complain about everything. That's life.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-39874309534578211472012-04-25T12:38:27.237-04:002012-04-25T12:38:27.237-04:00One thing this sort of thing does illustrate(IMO)....One thing this sort of thing does illustrate(IMO). The inconsistencies of the material is why the fan base is so anal.Commander Maxhttp://www.the-grey-ghost.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-77662052728312535222012-04-25T11:48:06.222-04:002012-04-25T11:48:06.222-04:00Max, Nope, I don't mind.
I have to say that a...Max, Nope, I don't mind.<br /><br />I have to say that asking Berman to remember the technical details of what the Federation can do is a little unrealistic. Heck, they can't even remember big chunks of the character's history -- like that Kirk had a brother. I don't think anyone associated with the show ever cared about the consistency of what they were producing.<br /><br />And in truth, I can even accept the idea that for some reason the Federation can't master this. It doesn't really change my philosophical issues.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-88589166684864465862012-04-25T11:39:38.332-04:002012-04-25T11:39:38.332-04:00When it comes to engineering there really isn'...When it comes to engineering there really isn't anything that can't be figured out(within the laws of physics). After all they portrayed the Federation as the highest tech of the newer space-faring cultures. If the Federation can't excite and collect particles, then what's the deal. <br />After all that's in essence the concept behind "bussard" collectors. On the TOS E they are the blinky light spinners on the front of the warp nacelles. If a ship has warp drive it has a set of bussard collectors. So they have had the tech for quite a while. <br /><br />So it looks like somebody overlooked something. <br />I think the writers didn't have a clue.<br />Plus it was Berman's job to police this sort of thing, so again to quote Mr Plinkett. <br />"F-You Rick Berman". <br /><br />I hope you don't mind the profanity reference Andrew, it just seems fitting in this situation. Since that's all we can do at this point. After all we can't sue these people(as much as we might want to).Commander Maxhttp://www.the-grey-ghost.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-17542595348883107332012-04-24T19:34:53.072-04:002012-04-24T19:34:53.072-04:00Max, True. We are not supposed to ask questions, ...Max, True. We are not supposed to ask questions, just empty our wallets when we see the big shiny lights.<br /><br />I can't believe the Federation couldn't duplicate the technology now that they know what it does. Once you know that something can be done, it's usually a lot easier to figure out how to do it. But as you say, this is just a plot convenience meant to set up the story.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-41296736090009084992012-04-24T19:23:10.537-04:002012-04-24T19:23:10.537-04:00Remember gentlemen, we are not supposed to use log...Remember gentlemen, we are not supposed to use logic while watching movies. <br /><br />We should only hand the movie makers our money. No matter what shlock they serve us. <br /><br />The Federation cannot duplicate the technology?<br />Give me a break, they have transporters, warp drive(keep an eye on my site, I'll be posting about those very things, shameless plug;)), holodecks, and first officers that can use a joystick. You bet they can duplicate the technology, it's just they can't because some writer said so.Commander Maxhttp://www.the-grey-ghost.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-82871055001893416062012-04-24T17:56:06.143-04:002012-04-24T17:56:06.143-04:00Max, et al -
I haven't seen the RLM clip in ...Max, et al - <br /><br />I haven't seen the RLM clip in a while but you're right. The planet would be rendered uninhabitable after the Son'a extract the particles... but why couldn't Starfleet send more ships to the planet instead? Why not establish a base of operations on the other side of the planet to continue working on the problem? Admiral Dougherty says they can't duplicate the Son'a technology but I'm sure it only would've been a matter of time before they did.<br /><br /><br />Joel -<br /><br />Another thing that bothers me about this movie is that they steal the holoship plot device from "Homeward," an episode that had aired only four years earlier! Very original...<br /><br />As for "The Ensigns of Command," I believe another alien race (the Sheliak) had legal claims on the territory inhabited by the colonists. Of course, it didn't help that the Sheliak were written so that they'd simply kill all the colonists as opposed to negotioating with them. And the leader of the colonists was a total dick, too. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-9264279536288299562012-04-24T17:53:31.268-04:002012-04-24T17:53:31.268-04:00Come on cliche, you've brought joy to millions...Come on cliche, you've brought joy to millions of mindless moviegoers... anyone who doesn't really want to think and you've warped the minds of young liberals everywhere. Congrats.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-71772501363725199642012-04-24T17:48:50.766-04:002012-04-24T17:48:50.766-04:00So tired... So very, very tired...So tired... So very, very tired...Native American clichenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-9585544498823441732012-04-24T17:48:04.849-04:002012-04-24T17:48:04.849-04:00Joel, Even worse, in Journey's End, Picard get...Joel, Even worse, in <a href="http://www.startrek.com/database_article/journeys-end" rel="nofollow">Journey's End</a>, Picard gets all bent out of shape because Wesley tries to stop him from moving a bunch of American Indians who have moved to some planet which the Cardassians now own by treaty.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-64035977411002999212012-04-24T17:47:00.646-04:002012-04-24T17:47:00.646-04:00Max, I agree. I think this film suffers from huge...Max, I agree. I think this film suffers from huge plot holes left and right.<br /><br />In fact, since they're hiding from these people, I wonder if they ever even bothered to ask them to move? I would think not. So scratch that from the list of "we tried everything."<br /><br />Scott has said that somehow the process they use to extract the particles would make the planet uninhabitable, but that sounds like more "quick answer/plot convenience" to me. Indeed, we saw the effects on Picard and he was only there a few minutes. I would think a couple weeks there every so often would be good enough. But then we wouldn't have a movie.AndrewPricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11312364467936820986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-9591838901614757182012-04-24T17:33:32.691-04:002012-04-24T17:33:32.691-04:00Sadly the arguments posted here seem moot.
Since ...Sadly the arguments posted here seem moot. <br />Since the movie made no sense. <br /><br />As far as Insurrection goes I'll quote Mr. Plinkett.<br /><br />Plot Convenience = Movie Suck<br /><br />http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-insurrection/<br /><br />NSFW<br /><br />Relocating the Bak’u so they could do something to make the entire planet uninhabitable? <br />Why not set up a resort on the planet? Or have ships cruse the Briar patch? If they went to all of the trouble to set up a facility to spy on the Bak’u, wouldn't it have been just as easy to set up a resort somewhere else on the planet. You wouldn't even have to hide it from anybody. The Bak’u looked like they could have cared less what went on elsewhere on the planet. As long as they were left alone. <br /><br />That's right, if they did anything logical in this film there would be no need to make the movie. But I did like the soundtrack.Commander Maxhttp://www.the-grey-ghost.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059293386881623259.post-84732136417607372442012-04-24T17:27:32.533-04:002012-04-24T17:27:32.533-04:00Whorf and Whorf's foster-brother transported a...Whorf and Whorf's foster-brother transported a primitive people in <i>Homeward</i>. Picard had no real problem with it. Also, Data was sent ahead in <i>Ensigns of Command</i> and actually destroyed a people's aqueduct to induce them to move. Picard didn't have a problem with that. Why would he have a problem this time?Joel Farnhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15856960977033430002noreply@blogger.com